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with guests:
Cliff & Laurel Wale

Laurel: My family was very sports oriented and I played sports right from a child. I played softball when I was old enough to hold a glove and when I got into school I played basketball, field hockey, and soccer. It was a busy time for our family. My mom and dad played sports, too, and my mom would always be running my sister and I everywhere we needed to go.

It was around the end of Grade 12 when I became friends with Cliff's mom.

Cliff: At the time, my mother was going to high school too. She didn't have her Grade 12 and she wanted to finish school so that she could achieve her dream of being a nurse. So she and I attended part of Grade 11 and 12 together. That was kind of different -- having your mother going to school with you!

So here I was -- getting driven to school by my mother, even though I had a reputation for being kind of wild. One day I noticed Laurel, who was in one of my mom's classes. But because of my kind of background and because of who Laurel hung around with at school, I didn't think that I'd even have any kind of chance of getting to know her.

But I kind of hinted to my mother that she should check out the girl sitting behind her -- Laurel -- because I was planning to ask her out on a date. Well, I hated rejection, so it was great that Laurel said yes!

Laurel: I knew that Cliff's mom went to church so I just started asking her questions about God and what it meant to be a Christian. I had gone to Sunday school as a child and I'd always prayed and believed there was a God, but I felt that something was missing.

Throughout my last year of high school a big question on my mind was, "If I die, I don't know if I'm going to heaven." I didn't know where I would go, and it really scared me. I believed in heaven. I believed in hell. I believed in Satan. I believed in God. I believed in all of that, but I didn't have assurance that I measured up to what God required.

But Cliff's mom had answers to all those questions. She had a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ, and she led me to the Lord.

Cliff and Laurel continued to see each other for some time. Then their relationship had a little break when Cliff moved back to Hazleton (BC) with his family because his mother was sick with cancer. After a short separation Cliff realized that he loved Laurel and wanted to be with her. So in 1980 he traveled to Kamloops. Cliff figured this was the best time to approach Laurel's father to ask if he could marry his daughter. The answer was "yes," and the wedding took place in 1981.

Cliff: Just seeing Laurel grow spiritually and committing more and more of her life to the Lord made me think about where I was spiritually, and about where I should be. There was always an inner part of me that was saying that this is what I should be doing, or this is what I shouldn't be doing.

I had heard the Gospel as a young boy, with my grandmother and my mother both being Christians and taking us to church. I also went to Bible camp with my brothers. My memories are about hot dog roasts and marshmallows, and crazy things like mixing toothpaste and stuff ... but I also remember in Bible time, when I was eight years old, that I accepted the Lord. I guess I was just feeling convicted. I knew that Christ came and died for my sins, and through Him I would have forgiveness.

But then, with our family moving and me getting older and being influenced by my peers, I basically fell away and was no longer going to church. I guess to me it was exciting at the time, being a teenager, staying up late and carousing around.

After we were married I started to attend church again. Then came a critical point with my mother's health and I was questioning, "Is this Christianity real?" My mother got sick and just faded away to nothing before she died, and I was thinking, "Where is this God? Why is this happening to her? Why doesn't He intervene?"

There were a lot of those questions. But at the same time, through my mother's faith, I could see that this was not a game -- it was real. At that point I decided to commit my life to the Lord again. Laurel and I got baptized on the same day. And I would have got involved in Bible studies right away, but instead I was just attending church and playing a lot of sports.

I would come back and warm up the pew at church, but badminton and hockey and fastball were more important to me. If we made it to the finals on a Sunday, then I would be at the rink or at the ball park instead. I thought I was being a good witness to my teammates, just by my lifestyle, but I was just fooling myself. Often the Lord was the furthest thing from my mind.

Then there was a big financial economic downturn back in ‘84/‘85. I lost my job; Laurel lost her job. And that kind of woke me up. We moved away from Kamloops for my new job and we started our family. Sports took a back seat, which was good, because I think that's when my spiritual growth really took off.

Later Cliff and Laurel and their children moved to his home town of Hazleton, where they have become involved in the Mount Rocher Alliance Church. Cliff has led Bible studies, and says he enjoys it and has learned from his preparation and discussion with the group.

From the time their children were very young, they have told them Bible stories and have had them listening to Christian songs. "We want them to accept the Lord as their Savior," says Laurel.

"I don't want to be apart from them," adds Cliff. "It would break my heart if they rejected Christ, because it would mean that it would be eternity without them. So I'm looking forward to the day when it'll be my daughters accepting Christ as their Savior and being baptized and proclaiming that they want to live their lives for Christ. That would make me happy."

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